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Listened to this pod twice. It has led me down some incredible rabbit holes. Great convo unpacking the 4Fs framework by @BenKizemchuk on how the economy transitions into what’s next.

18.7.2025
This is my conversation with @BenKizemchuk
And it was truly eye-opening. Some discussions feel like a full-on software update for your brain. This was one of them.
We covered:
-The 4Fs framework for making sense of today’s world
-Why we’re entering a new era where traditional investment models and metrics break down
-How to think about MMT, post-scarcity economics, recursive capital, and AI
-And much more
Enjoy
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